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That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« on: February 04, 2019, 05:39:49 AM »
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It is another wonderful day of not being a Venezuelan. Unless of course you are a Venezuelan, in which case lol nigga you fucked.

I'm a normie. What is going on?

Some fast background: In 1999, Hugo Chavez, a paratrooper officer who had launched a failed coup in 1992, was elected to Venezuelan presidency. Chavez ran on a platform of giving free shit to the deep jungle peasants to unite them into a single block that could trounce his infighting opposition.
Chavez proceeded to enact socialism to the delight and cheers of Che shirt-wearing Berkley students everywhere. Chavez used the government coffers to make it rain these poor slums ensuring his party took over the government, and had the constitution altered to allow him to run for president indefinitely.

Chavez's platform of Gibs to the slum spics worked great while oil prices were high, but then Oil prices began to drop, leaving Chavez with no way to pay his social commitments. He did the only sensible thing to do, which was to allow his daughter to siphon 5 billion euros from the state treasury, and then for him to die of a heart attack.

Chavez made sure to pass the reigns of the Gibsocracy to his hand-picked successor, Nicolas Maduro.
Chavez had managed to keep things on track by continuing to projected a certain machismo charisma even as he ballooned out to be a fatty fat fuck. Maduro, a dumb hill spic who's only qualification for being Chavez's successor was that he was too dumb to question orders, lacked this charisma. The Venezuelan assembly (Congress) was taken over by the opposition fairly quickly.
(there is so much more fucked up shit that went on and is going on, but this just a summary hitting the main points)


Here's the current situation
Back in May there were sham elections in Venezuela. They were awful and condemned by the international community en-mass as being illegitimate. There is a provision in the Venezuelan constitution that allows the Venezuelan congress to depose a president illegitimately elected, depose them, and select an interim president. The Venezuelan congress has enacted that provision, and selected Juan Guaido as interim president.

Maduro is not willing to step down. This means things are primed for either a civil war, or just some extra-judicial executions.

Ok, but what actually happened and why do we care? All the media has told me is Orange Man Bad.

Trump has recognized the selected Interim president as legitimate, declaring Maduro is not the real leader of Venezuela. Every left-leaner is freaking out because socialism has failed yet again, and Obama did fuck-all to do anything about a deteriorating situation where children and adults are literally starving in the streets and of dying of easily treatable diseases, while it looks like with just a couple of tweets Trump has destabilized and will likely bring about the downfall of a corrupt government.

We care because Venezuela's only reliable ally has been Cuba and by proxy, they have been sucking up to Russia to stick it to the US, allowing Russian warships to make ports of calls and letting Russia fly a couple of bombers to an airforce base there. So up until everything went tits up, Venezuela was doing a lot of "Fuck the US" friendship buying. That's all over now, but getting a less retarded govenment in after 20 years will do a lot to helping stabilize the Caribbean coast of the South America.


What what was that about people starving and dying in the streets
I'll make another effort post if its warranted (fuck it, I'll get bored and make one even if its not). But due to some HILARIOUS economic controls inplemented to kee the gibs flowing, and Chavez destroying his country's economic infrastructure by alienating foreign partners by nationalizing industry (read: stealing shit they built in the country) and then destroying the shit he stole by putting incompetent sycophants in charge these crucial facilities, Venezuela is seeing 1.4 Million percent inflation. Yes, you read that right 1,400,000% inflation. Everything is fucked economically.


Wait some drama-queen faggot said SS is now a white nationalist forum during his gay-ass meltdown. I don't see any mention of how this is a plot by the Jews?

We're not sure yet, but we'll suss out how they caused this, don't worry.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2019, 10:31:08 PM by Ghostse »

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 05:41:37 AM »
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This space reserved for laughing at how socialism utterly fucked up one of the strongest South American economies.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 05:48:32 AM »
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Latest  Happenings for Venezuela:
- Venezuelan Military are being deployed to border regions.
- The Columbian 3rd Armored Divsion has doing mounted patrols on the Columbia/Venezuela border.
- Venezuela is trying to trade their shitty crude oil for gasoline on the open market now that the Russians have decided their business wasn't work risking American sanctions. IF there are no takers, Venezuela has about ~1 week of gasoline reserves left given estimations.
- Maduro has sent a large shipment of Venezuela's gold reserves to the UAE.

Today is a big day
Last week several nations, including most limp-wristed Eurofag nations, gave Maduro 8 days to call for snap elections or they'd recognize the opposition as the legitimate government. Today is that 8th day. There could be some sparks.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 07:08:19 AM »
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- Maduro has sent a large shipment of Venezuela's gold reserves to the UAE.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2019, 11:27:14 AM »
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*have a strong economy*

*socialists promise gibs, get elected*

*country sinks into a literal shithole because of all the shit government takes from makers and gives to takers*

"Well that wasn't REAL Socialism"

*repeat over and over*

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 12:04:02 PM »
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Wait some drama-queen faggot said SS is now a white nationalist forum during his gay-ass meltdown. I don't see any mention of how this is a plot by the Jews?

We're not sure yet, but we'll suss it how they caused this, don't worry.

Chavez proceeded to enact socialism
Quote from: George Lincoln Rockwell
The Conservatives have a slogan which I think is despicable and defeatist: "It's better to be dead than red." And the Commies and Liberals have a slogan which is even worse, it's treason, they say: "It's better to be red than dead." We say this: "You don't have to be Red and you don't have to be Dead. Not dead. Not Red. Dead Reds"


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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 04:15:47 PM »
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2019, 10:47:18 PM »
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- Maduro has sent a large shipment of Venezuela's gold reserves to the UAE.

 :tom:

I shouldn't just say sent, sold them - as in the UAE sent a cargo plane to pick them and is converting them into Euros to buy gasoline and toilet paper.

Like a good socialist, he is destroying his countries future to keep the gibs flowing to ignorant spics so he stays in power

Venezuela has quite a bit of mineable gold, and they were selling the unrefined ore to Turkey for cash to buy toilet paper and gasoline, as they lack sufficient refining capabilities in Venezuela. Turkey was more than happy to fuck them in the ass on conversion and litterally trade them gold for shit paper.

Even before he died, Chavez was selling off a few tons of gold to keep the wheels on the socialism train as oil dropped below the needed per-barrel price to keep dem programs funded. They had been selling it off slowly before, now its at meltdown levels and they doing anything to keep the collapse at bay just a little longer.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 12:45:55 AM »
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Big Monday Update:
Hold on to your dicks, dickholders: The EU has actually followed through on their threats and has denounced Maduro as being illegitimately elected.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 02:03:40 AM »
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I'll add this the top of the page when I have posts to add, and there are more than 3 posters (and 8 cis scum alts) to read them
I also need to try to clean this up, but I'm not quite sure how to properly convey just how fucked up the situation is.


Why the fuck is everyone making fun of Venezuela for having no toilet paper? How do shit tickets tank your economy? Its not fucking India, how much ass spool can a country go through?

Well, this is literally some shit posting. Lets rewind back to Chavez, because all this shit is literally his fault.

There are two factors going on here: One is Chavez's workers rights initiative, the other is Chavez's failed attempts at economics.

Chavez's tries to improve the conditions of Venezuelan workers, ends up taking their jobs instead
We'll cover the workers rights initiative first as its shorter. But it will tie in to Chavez's failed economic initiatives.
Up until the 1990s, Venezuela was where companies set up their franchise operations in South America as much as possible. Venezuela was perfectly positioned for gulf-coast shipping access, and the government had a lot of cash coming in due to OPEC membership. It was perfect. The 1992 coup didn't so much expose anything people didn't know was happening, but it showed it was coming to a head. Investment slowed.

Then Chavez comes in. Now, let's be fair here - the conditions in Venezuelan factories were not western standards, but the workers were also lazy spics. So Chavez sets a requirement for foreign countries; if you want to operate in Venezuela, you have to meet these pay and worker environment requirements. If you cannot meet them, we will replace your management layers with party loyalists until they are met. They forcibly unionized all workers for foreign-owned companies.

Some of the requirements were for standard & sane shit: safety, maximum shifts, meal breaks, bathroom breaks. Others were crazy shit like paid holidays and the like. But it they were still cheap spics, so most companies shrugged and hired two people for $1 a day instead of the one, and moved on.
One of the more nit-picky requirements is you had to have your restrooms stocked with a certain amount of toilet paper.

So keep that in mind: If you are Kellog's, and you can't keep your bathrooms stocked with toilet paper, you have to shut down your factories or risk them getting nationalized. You need to remember that for later.

Now get ready its time to:
:nigganomics:

Chavez causes his country's economy to back up and overflow because of toilet paper

Chavez's complete destruction of the Venezuelan economy shows the primary issue with socialism: Never do they actually get economists involved, because they are focused on feels and not actual numbers.

Chavez wanted to solve a problem, which was Venezuela's currency was shit, so things like toilet paper and toothpaste took up a large portion of the poor venezuelan's paycheck gibsmedats voter bribes. So he did what any good socialist leader would do, which was enact inflexible policies meant to fix the problem, but actually make it much, much worse. He used a two-prong approach to destroy the economy.

First, Chavez issued what amounted to a second currency: Gold Backed Bolivars that could only be used outside of the country. Any venezuelan who wanted to, could go get these external bolivars for very favorable exchange rates. Chavez coupled this with setting forced exchange rates for foreign currency inside of Venezuela that in no way reflected reality, and would make it almost impossible for the average Venezeulan citizen to get their hands on foreign cash. All trade externally was done with these gold-backed Bolivars, all internal trade was done with fiat Bolivars that were set to unrealistic exchange rates with foreign currencies. The government was subsidizing the import of household necessities.


But there was a catch, which was the 2nd prong that used to double-team the Venezuelan economy like a pair of chinese finger cuffs.
You could only use these external Bolivars to buy essential items, like toilet paper, and when you imported them the government dictated how much you could sell them to store owners for. They also dictated to store owners how much they were allowed to charge.
It is illegal  to important toilet paper and sell it yourself at a price you set. You HAVE to use these External Bolivars, and you HAVE to sell it for the government-set rate.

Now in theory a complete dream-like ignoring of reality, this works. Importers are only going to make a set number of Bolivars off of whatever imports they manage to buy, so they will want to make the best deal they possibly can to get the most of their external Import Bolivars. This of course led to the importers buying the worst, cheapest stuff they could buy to throw on shelves. And as the Bolivar dipped lower and lower as oil dropped, soon they just stopped doing even that, because they couldn't even get back the amount they originally exchanged.
Which caused easily forseeable problems.


Because here's where it gets really insidious: Chavez also set stock requirements for stores. If you ran a store, you had to have, every day, a set amount of toilet paper, toothpaste, and other basic items on your shelves, and you had to sell them for a set price. This was all well and good when people were importing the stuff, but when they stopped, and shortages began to crop up, you had a choice:
Buy shitpaper marked up on the blackmarket, or have the government seize your store.

This lead to a vicious cycle where stores would only put the barest minimum of stock on their shelves. They weren't going to make any money on the sales, and if there was a supply chain problem, they were going to need to buy the stuff on the black market or risk their business getting taken over by the government.
So because there wasn't any toilet paper on the shelves, people had to buy marked up from the black market.
Store owners, to meet their stock minimums also had to buy black market toilet paper.
And Kellog's, to keep their factories open, also had to go buy black market toilet paper; remember thos standards earlier? Yeah, those.

And Kellog's couldn't just send a few cargo containers of toilet paper. They had to buy it all domestically, from the importers who stopped importing because their currency was shit. So all the big foreign corporations simply came to the ass wipes black market with tons of foreign cash, buying up all the shit paper because they needed to be opening and operating. Pricing out the store owners trying to meet minimums. And pricing out all the average people.

Head hurt yet? Good.

To summarize:
Chavez set an absolute floor for the demands of several items, including (and most notably) toilet paper.
He also set a ceiling to how much profit could be made fulfilling this demand.
He also made no efforts to assure a continued supply of these items, leaving it up to mechants (who's profits he capped) to fix the supply problem.

So instead of a situation where Price of Bog Roll goes up -> more wanky hanky get imported because of increased profits -> Do-it-yourself Rorschach Tests drop in price because of increased supply, the price is now set artificially high on the black market and no normal citizens can afford to pay the prices for shit paper.

So this leads to places like Kellogs deciding to pull out of Venezeula completely, rather than deal with all this horseshit and potentially having their factories shut down or seized because they can't get enough toilet paper.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2019, 02:06:21 AM by Ghostse »

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 05:03:27 AM »
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New happenings:
Maduro has ordered the army to block the roads from Columbia, to prevent international aid convoys from reaching his literally starving people. As the people he is starving are worthless spics, I believe I speak for all of Something Sensitive when I praise Maduro for the level of his dedicated commitment to taco-niggerdeath.


UAE has decided to back out of Maduro's Cash 4 Gold scheme*. AFAIK its not known how much gold got sold before they froze him out, but its leaving him struggling for funding.

*Maduro sent the UAE 15 tons of Venezeula's gold reserves to turn into Euros to buy shitpaper and gas. This is because the Bank of England froze Venezeula's gold deposits (They sent the bank of England ~1 billion euros of gold to hold in escrow as security against a loan from Germany for food & asswad shipments). Now the UAE is telling Maduro to fuck off because he's not going to be in power much longer and they don't want to deal with claims of damages by the next government.
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 08:27:56 AM »
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Ghostse I really like your 888s about the clusterfuck that is Venezuela, keep them coming  :reagan:
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 12:03:22 PM »
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/\ Same. I'm not posting because idk shit about Venezuela, but this is the only based source that isn't calling this "an all around tragedy" or "political turmoil"

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 08:17:20 PM »
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If only they had invested in some bidets, they could have cut their demand for shitter paper and the train would still be rolling.


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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 08:41:06 PM »
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Venezuela became sort of a hobby of mine around 2007 when Chavez effectively nationalized their oil industry. Since then I've passively been watching news from Venezuela, basically waiting for this CURRENT YEAR + 3 trainwreck to happen because I knew it was coming, and I'm really shocked it took this long.

You can see the giant fucking hole Chavez dug for himself & the country at large here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008

These latest goings on have had me riveted since 2016ish because what you're seeing in Venezeula, specifically Caracas, is the closest thing to a collapse of modern civilization that you'll get to witness without having it affect you. Venezuela's break down is what happens when there just literally isn't any anymore. You have people with diabetes dying because there just ISN'T insulin anymore. Kids dying of epilepsy because there aren't any anti-seizure pills. All these diseases that modern medicine have rendered inconveniences are now life threatening.
And its not like Africa or some third world shithole where the lethality of these conditions is a fact of life, where the WHO rolling through to give you enough pills to maybe not die this year is a miracle godsend. Venezuela was rich enough for long enough they had modern medical equipment, so going to the pharmancy and being told "There's none of that stuff you need to keep from dying" is a rude, unwelcome shock.

The real wonderful thing about the current shitstorm in Venezeula is how little on the ground reporting is being done. This isn't because the media is trying to bury the story - trust me, this would be a like a real-life, real-time version of the walking dead they would be getting so many clicks - its because the modern media are fucking pussies and Venezuela is dangerous. So they are trying to shift the reporting focus from just how fucked up socialism has made life in Venezuela to the international repercussions because modern jouralism is the laziest, lowest effort shit from pussy liberal arts graduates. What little stuff makes it out of Venezuela is just amazingly fucked up. Why go to Venezeula to actually report on the riots and the squalid conditions when you can instead get a company-expensed vacation to Zurich to cover the international conference about the riots and squalid conditions?


Is there anything anyone is curious about? I'm just sort of 888ing about stuff that I usually talking to someone else about. Unless anyone has any other questions, Probably the next bit will be how Venezeula has the world shittiest oil, but huge amounts of the stuff, and why Trump cutting off MAduro from the gulf coast refineries was the death knell.
I'm also reading up Venezeula/Columbia relations, because I know the generalities from the break up Gran Columbia, but not much detail.
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 03:24:40 AM »
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Are there actual tales coming out about day to day life in venezuela right now? As in street level experiences. It sounds fascinating in the same way tales about Congo etc African post-apocalyptic shitholes do.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2019, 03:35:45 AM »
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Nothing organized, but the occasional media cuck will talk to a few people in the states who had bit parts in the hot new John Carpenter film Escape From Caracas, and get on the phone with someone's cousin and get some real tales of Venezuela fuckery. Everything has to be kept generalized though because like any good socialist country the Secret Police are always on the look out for wrong think.

I read a really good tale of seriously fucked up in about 2015 (I might have gotten the link from here, actually) where they were talking about kids dying of epilepsy and getting scurvy while Maduro got fatter. There was also a good image series of the Venezeulan socialist ration. I'll see if I can find them.

edit: Here is something from the cucked out Telegraph from 2016. Its meant to make you weep for the poor opposed socialist nation of Venezuela who dindu nuffin, was just out spending he word of (((Karl Marx))), if only we had more money for dem socialist programs, and reparations from the evil racist USA (that their citizens keep trying to flee to for some reason) but I imagine a good shitposter can read between the lines.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/25/inside-venezuelas-top-childrens-medical-unit-where-patients-are/
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2019, 03:46:21 AM »
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So we'll just have to wait until Tim Butcher or some other crazy actual journo decides to venture in  :allears:

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 03:55:03 AM »
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So we'll just have to wait until Tim Butcher or some other crazy actual journo decides to venture in  :allears:

(Posted an article above as an edit)

The problem with that is even assuming someone is bat shit crazy enough to risk their life in Jungle Spic territory,  and they get in, they are (or at least were) quickly located and deported by the police.

The fringes of country are very dangerous for westerners. Venezuela knowningly sheltered FARC and EFL as a "fuck you" to Columbia (also something about socialist ideals or whatever). That's what I'm digging into Venezuela history to learn more about.

Hezbollah also has contacts and advocates in Venezeula. I cannot stress strongly enough just how badly Chavez fucked the country up in 14 years, and Maduro has continued that legacy.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 08:36:23 AM »
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I'll edit this in later, but here is a more succinct summary of Venezeula's currency circus. Reminder this article is from 2015, so things were bad but not as bad as they are today.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/opinion/francisco-toro-dorothy-kronick-venezuelas-currency-circus.html

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In a faraway land, an eccentric king nailed an edict to the door of his palace that said: “Henceforth, $20 bills will be sold here for $1.”

Within minutes, his subjects were clamoring for those cut-rate twenties. So the king posted a second edict: “Each $20 bill shall be used only to buy things abroad.” Then a third: “Whatever you buy abroad with your $20 you must sell in our kingdom for $2.”

“This will make me beloved!” he thought. “Foreign goods will be cheap for all.”

But it didn’t work out that way. Soon, the lines for $20 bills were matched by lines at every store that sold foreign goods.

Since nobody saw much point in buying anything abroad to sell for just $2, people mostly pocketed the twenties and the imports never showed up on store shelves. And if any item did hit the shelves, whether it was a $2 box of diapers or a $2 sack of flour, it could be sold for $6 on the black market — so standing in line at the shops became a job.

The king was incensed. A new edict appeared: “Pocketing your twenty and marking up a $2 import are henceforth economic crimes, punishable by imprisonment.”

Riot police officers roamed the queues sniffing out dissent; subjects were recruited as spies. “It must be a conspiracy! A foreign plot to overthrow the monarchy,” raged the king.

If this fable strikes you as far-fetched, spare a thought for the people of Venezuela. For 12 years, their economy has been run pretty much along these lines.

Here is another 2016 article from noted hive of faggots The Atlantic.
You might be wondering why the communists at the Altantic would be shit-talking socialism, and the answer is simple: Chavez was only able to keep things together through sheer force of personality. Once Chavez died of too many churros, and zero charisma Maduro took over/congress went to the opposition, it was obvious that the collapse was coming. So the Atlantic & many others got the "its not real communism" engines spun up so they'd be ready.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/05/venezuela-is-falling-apart/481755/

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 11:27:45 PM »
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There hasn't been too much in the way of happenings, and all my long, gay 888 sperg energy is going to explain the INF Treaty situation (summary there: China fucked up by showing off their 'guam killer', showing they can make missiles that conform to the INF treaty and thus should be subject to it, and are trying to backpedal hard. Russia has been allowed to get away with violating it on a limited scale as a counter to china, since they share a border)

A minor, but interesting, happening is that a plane from Puerto Rico landed and offloaded humanitarian aid, despite Maduro saying he doesn't want any. By itself its not a big deal, but it shows that Maduro isn't as in control as he wants to believe.

US Presidential Hopeful Marco "Bubbles" Rubio has also all-but-promised amnesty to Venezuela's military leadership via twitter.
I'm pretty sure that nigga is dreaming, as those guys have pilfered probably billions at this point and should be expected to answer for it by any new government. (Or if Lil' Marco isn't dreaming, that would pretty much paving the way for Venezuela to continue to be a corrupt shithole for the forseeable future). But he can probably promise them the trial would be civil for fraud & corruption, and not the sort of trial that ends in firing squads.
Even if that's what they deserve.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 09:24:53 AM »
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a plane from Puerto Rico landed and offloaded humanitarian aid, despite Maduro saying he doesn't want any.

That's like a homeless crackhead asking if you're ok and do you need any money? No, I insist, you need it more than I do.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 01:36:40 PM »
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So how many men would I need to just go down there and take over, William Walker style?

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Walker was known as an adventurer who sought to take control of Latin American countries with the purpose of making them a part of the United States. Walker sailed in June 1855 from California to Nicaragua with a small band of armed Californians. After some initial military setbacks, he and his liberal allies took Granada in October and set up a coalition government.

By 1856, Walker declared himself president, re-instituted slavery, and made English the official language. U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized his Nicaraguan government.

A movement arose to expel Walker and his army. This proved to be a long and costly process. Costa Rica, Honduras, and other Central American countries united to drive Walker out in 1857. During this time, Granada was burned and thousands of Central Americans lost their lives. The final battle of what Nicaraguans called the "National War" (1856–57) took place in the spring of 1857 in the town of Rivas, near the Costa Rican border. Walker beat off the attacks, but the effort diminished the strength and morale of his forces and he soon succumbed.
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2019, 09:58:24 PM »
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Real answer, a fucking lot if you want to go William Walker and not Escobar. Ask Columbia how shit went with FARC and that's a rough idea of the morass you'd be wadding into. Venezeula's shitty sludge petroleum would be sanctions poison so you'd have a hard time making bank roll, and you'd have - at minimum - Brazil and Columbia on your ass to make sure no one else gets any overthrow ideas, and Argentina would almost certain join in too.

I'm sure you could probably make some back-room deal with China to get them to back your play, but do you really want to be beholden to the Chinks, and dealing with Chink mercs using Chinese knock-off equipment?

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 12:56:28 AM »
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I'm sure you could probably make some back-room deal with China to get them to back your play, but do you really want to be beholden to the Chinks, and dealing with Chink mercs using Chinese knock-off equipment?

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