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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2019, 12:10:17 PM »
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I'm sure you could probably make some back-room deal with China to get them to back your play, but do you really want to be beholden to the Chinks, and dealing with Chink mercs using Chinese knock-off equipment?

Chinese military equipment itself is pretty decent, but the real problem with China is that you basically have to be 110 percent loyal to Beijing and their party line. Even if you win, you're still effectively China's bitch like a lot of African countries are learning the hard way right now.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2019, 12:38:31 PM »
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Bet Venezuelan bitches would do some nasty shit for a sandwich  :twisted:
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2019, 01:01:41 PM »
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Chinese military equipment itself is pretty decent

I wouldn't call the ability to reproduce the AK-47 without a fucking it up a huge accomplishment.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2019, 03:03:24 PM »
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Bet Venezuelan bitches would do some nasty shit for a sandwich  :twisted:
You mean tear you to pieces while fighting over the cooler of food you snuck into the country (because lol @ being able to get ingredients inside)?

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2019, 03:19:18 PM »
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I wouldn't call the ability to reproduce the AK-47 without a fucking it up a huge accomplishment.

It's not 1967 anymore, they are very much in the realm of being able to provide all sorts of nasty anti-tank and anti-air missiles for various insurgencies they like with all the industrial espionage they've been doing.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2019, 07:10:20 PM »
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How the fuck is the country with the world's largest proven oil reserves broke?

This one's a little more involved, but I'll tl;dr it here for Wimpb if he ever comes back
Venezuela's oil is one Thicc Bih, and requires special & careful refining. All the refinery money went to buying microwaves for jungle squatters.

Venezeula is mostly swamp and has been swamp, coast, or coastal swamp for millions of years. All of that decaying organic matter compacting down on itself in wet, low-oxygen environments is the perfect recipe for oil formation. The down side is the geography of the oilfields mean the oil mixes with a lot of other material, organic and otherwise, which make it full of impurities and very, very thick.

Venezuela's oil is some of the shittiest oil around. It is not only high-sulfur (and other impurities) but it is very thick which makes it hard to pump, hard to refine, and it doesn't store well at all.  Venezeula didn't take the crown of largest proven oil reserves until they declared Venezeula's Super Heavy (extra shit) oil exploitable in the middle of the Mid-aughts oil crisis; until oil was like $150/barrel, that stuff was determined to be too shitty to count as reserves because it wasn't worth the trouble of pumping and refining.

Venezuela was fortunate, because they are just across the Caribbean from the Gulf Coast refineries.
When you go to the trouble of setting up an oilrig, if hit oil you are going to pump & refine whatever you find, because of the cost of shutting down & moving operations. So if what they found was shitty sludge oil (and they) you made do with whatever you found. That meant the gulf coast refineries were set up and prepared to refine the Venezuelan sludge, and it worked out well for everyone.

 Venezuela was working with Exxon, Texaco, and Shell to have set up refineries in Venezuela; this was idea for the Oil Companies - not just because of cheaper workers and fewer environmental regulations, but because given the sulfur content and viscosity of Venezuela, the best non-asphalt product you could make from it was high-sulfur diesel, that was then usually shipped to Brazil. So you'd ship oil to the gulf coast, refine it, then ship it back down south to Brazil. You could save a good chunk of cash & time by not making tankers cross the Carribean twice.

This was going fairly well until Chavez is elected by promising the poors everything they want.
Now in the interests of honest hate: Venezuela was getting fucked by the oil companies. The companies wanted (and got) exploitation rights to oil fields in hugely lopsided deals. Venezuela was going to get top-of-the-line refining infrastructure, and the plan was the oil companies would getting the oil for next to nothing and then paying Venezuela to refine it. They were lagging on refinery construction and were refining almost everything in the US.
But a lot of that wasn't the oil companies dragging their feet, it was usual Banana Republic corruption, theft, and general spic laziness. But they were still losing a ton of potential revenue.

Now the oil workers in Venezuela were the country's upper middle class. They were getting paid really well (for Venezuela) and Chavez's position of "fuck anyone who isn't me, taxes are going up so I can buy votes" didn't sit well with them. So for that and other reasons, they went on strike; shut down the oil and Venezuela is fucked.  I'm a little sketchy on the exact details, I'll probably look into later, but more importantly is the result:

Chavez had enough of this little challenge to his power, and fired everyone, restaffing the state-run oil company with party loyalists.
Now remember, Chavez came to power on buying votes from the poors. So that means all these Party Loyalist were dumb, thiefing ghetto spics. Oil production & refining capability did what you might imagine it would do.

To keep his grip on power, Chavez had to buy more and more votes, and was looking for any income stream he could exploit. In Venezuela, there's pretty much just one, and that's oil. So Chavez had a brilliant (read: fucktarded) idea, which was to completely nationalize Venezeula's oil: kick out the Oil companies, seize their equipment, void their resource rights.
Doing this was completely illegal, and international arbitration has said so to the tune of 1 trillion dollars.
But they could have probably pulled it off... if they'd actually had their refineries run by competent people, and someone leading the country who actually had long term good of his country at heart and wasn't simply looking for a short-term cash grab to have supporters buy trinkets for the people in the ghettos right before the election.

What ended up happening, in addition to sanctions and condemnation, was Chavez simply redirected the money that should have been going into maintaining and expanding the country's petroleum industry to his family and close allies, while continuing to have supporters make it rain in the ghettos.

 So the Venezuelan oil industry continued to rust and decay, and what wasn't rusting and decaying was being "maintained" by idiots who's only qualifications is being too dumb to question party dogma. But the cracks were already starting to show. The jungle indians got the shaft first, as they weren't powerful or as numerous. The poors were starting to want more than just hand outs; the new TVs were only good when there was power.

I'll cover Chavez's hilarious "No you shut the fuck up Dad" attempts to own the Imperial States of Amerikkka in another post, but the amount of money this guy squandered is AMAZING.

And this is why socialists need a good ol' day of the rope to clear them out. All the money will go to dem programs, and there won't be any left to maintain the thing that brings in the money. And more importantly, its the ultimate in self-destruction; if they would have directed money to their oil infrastructure, there would have been more money for their families to embezzle.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2019, 10:41:50 PM »
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Chinese military equipment itself is pretty decent

I wouldn't call the ability to reproduce the AK-47 without a fucking it up a huge accomplishment.


towelheads in pakistan literaly can do this in a cave with basic tools and scraps.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2019, 06:37:15 PM »
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"towelheads in pakistan literaly can do this in a cave with basic tools and scraps."

towelheads in pakistan literally can do your mom in a cave with basic tools and scraps.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2019, 06:37:33 PM »
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2019, 06:37:46 PM »
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nailed it.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2019, 06:37:58 PM »
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2019, 06:38:14 PM »
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Classic.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2019, 06:38:23 PM »
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2019, 08:56:03 PM »
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Has Kim Jon Juan has been overthrown yet or everyone just realized that the country is too shitty to invade?
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2019, 03:59:42 AM »
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Has Kim Jon Juan has been overthrown yet or everyone just realized that the country is too shitty to invade?

Too shitty to invade.
I mean every day more spics starve or die from lack of access to what used to be readily available drugs, so I can't say I'm disappointed with how things are going, I do wish Maduro would remove taco a little more humanely.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2019, 03:56:42 AM »
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Potential Happening Update:
What's going on
The Opposition (AKA the internationally recognized legitimate government) has given the Military (aka Maduro) a saturday deadline to reopen the main cross-border road with Columbia.
More specifically, Trump, Columbia, and The Opposition Government have said that an aid convoy is crossing the bridge on Saturday.
There may be shooting, it could get pretty rad.

Why is this news?
Maduro still has the backing of most of the military, especially the top brass.
Maduro has barricaded the main highway connecting Venezuela & Columbia. Other smaller border crossings are still open. The barricades, made of shipping containers and steel beam/pipe barriers, are guarded by a force of about 20 Venezuelan national guardsmen.

20 national guardsmen? Who cares! What are 20 uniformed spics going to do?
The size of the force doesn't matter, what does matter is they are there and armed. The convoy will need to break/cut through the barricades, this will take time and they will be very exposed while that goes on.

If the guardsmen pussy out and don't do anything, it will demonstrate Maduro no longer controls the border; just another dull step in the slow crumbling of the Maduro government.
BUT!
If the guardsmen shoot at the convoy, they will have fired on an unarmed aid caravan and Maduro is straight fucked, as Columbia and the US now have a green light to retaliate, and then we'll get to see some fireworks.

Its unlikely, but we might get to see some action on Saturday. Stay tuned!
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 03:59:23 AM by Ghostse »

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2019, 10:32:24 PM »
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https://archive.fo/wx3zZ

Venezuela National Guard firing on their own citizens who are trying to leave to Columbia to get food & toilet paper. Spicdeath might be taking off.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2019, 11:38:10 PM »
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New Updates
- Maduro has fully closed the border with Brazil after news the Brazilian government, being less-faggot and less-socialist that the old one that was removed as the result of a deep-reaching corruption scandal one involving - deep shock here - the state-run oil company, has decided to allow international aid to pass through its border.
- As a result of the closing, two Indians were killed. The local Indians are now in revolt, rioting and burning several border posts.
- Maduro has threatened to fully shut the border with Columbia.


Tomorrow's the big day guys! Aid convoy breaks through tomorrow and if the recent happenings have been any indication, Maduro's guys are dumb shits that are trigger happy. It could pop off.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2019, 11:45:44 PM »
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HOT UPDATE
Maduro has said he's completely closing the border with Venezuela and will block any American aid.

Possibility of Spicdeathmas coming early this year is rising.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2019, 04:12:16 PM »
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HE DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

Venezuela national guard have fired on the Aid convoy. Shit is popping off.

The VNG halted the aid trucks, so they formed a human cargo chain to unload them. VNG then fired a shit ton of tear gas on the trucks, and someone began shooting at it. Then someone, likely VNG or Maduro-Militia, set two of the Aid trucks.
A SOCOM plane landed in columbia. Shortly after landing, a Columbian Blackhawk took off heading to the border with Venezuela. You do the math.


Columbia has also closed their embassy, telling their staff to get out and charging Maduro with providing them safe conduct out of the country.
edit: Sorry got that slightly wrong; Venezuela has cut diplomatic ties with Columbia and ordered all Columbian diplomatic personnel out of the country in the next 24 hours. Columbia has responded saying they are holding Maduro personally responsible for their safety.

Not quite as many dead spics as I was hoping to see, but this is much more action than I was expecting. Too much shit is going on to keep up right now. Link stolen from KF, these guys seem to be providing updates.

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
« Last Edit: February 23, 2019, 04:20:17 PM by Ghostse »

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2019, 02:19:26 AM »
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Unconfirmed reports from the ground that the Columbian National Police* have begun an operation to secure the bridges going into Venezuela. No word on if they're just going to secure the bridges from Venezeulan infiltrators, secure the bridges to the border, secure the entire bridge, or secure the whole bridge + the Venezuelan bridgehead. Columbia is using the National Police because they are trained in this sort of thing and its not as provocative as sending the army.

The Venezuelan opposition as said they want "all options for liberation of the country to be open".

I'm expecting some good shit tomorrow.


*There's no good analogue for the National Police, the closest would be FBI SWAT, but they are bigger and much, much more combat focused. They are Columbia's anti-guerrilla/anti-NARCO task force. Imagine if all the State Troopers nation wide were one organization, and FBI SWAT trained and reported to the Federal government.
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2019, 03:41:15 PM »
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Sounds like Maduro's lifespan is gonna be measured in months now.

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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2019, 11:07:02 PM »
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Nah, people are too lazy to execute Latin American tinpot dictators nowadays.

Like Noriega he'll prob gtfo with whatever gold he can carry out and live in obscurity in some commie-sympathizing Eurofag state.
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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2019, 11:30:10 PM »
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Happenings Update: Nada.
Should have known better than to expect Spics to do anything on a Sunday. Looks like the National Police are keeping to their side of the border looking for border jumpers or people trying to blow up the bridges. Big disappointment, but not really surprise.

Venezuelans are fully cucked, expecting the US (Columbia or Brazil) to come save them from the bed they shat in. Trump is cucking under a little bit, but he's doing so wisely. Despite the fact they are starving and dying from lack of inexpensive medicine, none of these swamp spics are willing to risk their spic lives or what comforts they have to actually oppose the regime beyond chanting and waving banners, so I agree with Trump's course of action that there is no need to risk American lives for the freedom of spics too lazy to fight to reclaim the freedoms they readily gave away.

There only one piece of news to come out of this:
Like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio has learned from his experiences in the primaries and is taking babby's first steps in learning how to meme. He's been tweeting pictures all day of dictators who have been deposed and then executed.

Someone took the idea, ran with it, and made some solid fucking gold.



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Re: That's not REAL Socialism: Venezuela Thread
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2019, 03:56:16 AM »
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Still more nothing happening, other than more spics dead from starvation.

Only one hilarious happening:
Jorge Ramos, the Univision shit bag who got tossed out of several press events by Trump for being a disrespectful little spic-stain, Maduro order him to be detained along with his camera crew for asking the wrong sort of questions. He and the crew were released after several hours of interrogation, sans equipment.

Complete lack of self-awareness comparisons to his treatment by Maduro to is treatment by Trump should be on twitter shortly.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/univision-anchor-jorge-ramos-team-detained-released-in-venezuela-network-says